HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. This site uses cookies. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. Report . Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. Drake 39 mess At least the cubicles in the heads had doors on this time. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". Editors' Code of Practice. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. Read about our approach to external linking. Ganges training establishment. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. contact the editor here. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". 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On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. 1927. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. I came across a clip on youtube that really saddened me and it tells its own story about the UK as it is now and the real fact that such things as pride, standards etc have long been lost and decay and neglect are the order of the day, I do not need to walk very far from my home to see with my own eyes the evidence all around me. Peter Ohara. "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. The HMS Ganges Museum previously said restorers would remove the wooden part of the mast for refurbishment off site and they would then check the condition of the steel lower mast. Mr W Im sure the surprise and very welcome CD that popped through my letter box today was from you dear sir, so thanks very much and Im looking forward to listening to it very soon. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). The Royal Naval Training Establishment Shotley (known within the Royal Navy as HMS Ganges) was established in southern Suffolk in 1905. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. Reaching high into the sunlit sky stood the mast; its yardarms spread wide like a giant crucifix. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Steve Tarr. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' The Cattlemarket area of Ipswich would be busy at weekends with boys in full naval uniform. Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). I just got on with it. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Yes, I got it wrong! HP10 9TY. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. Richard Dunn. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT (Image: Archant). This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. I took a bowl and ate the lot. "I remember another of the Ganges boys, they were talking to a visitor at the museum, and she said 'it was quite brutal, wasn't it? St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. You are using an out of date browser. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. HMS Ganges. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit . HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. they said. Read about our approach to external linking. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. ", The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Jon Sparks. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. contact the editor here. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. In 1907, its famous 143ft (44m)-high training . The noise was excruciating. Report abuse. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. Within ten minutes, a second pair of gates appeared, the gates of the real HMS Ganges. I was ordered to report for my test one evening after supper. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. 1903. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. Learn how your comment data is processed. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . I had already taught myself to swim. Real posh supercilious bastard. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. HMS Ganges 'He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit ' His early life was hard by any standards. JavaScript is disabled. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to You are using an out of date browser. Roe told me "I don't like you." Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. It began snowing on Boxing Day. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. Dec 30, 2016. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. Statistics for the 1930s indicate some 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges alone, an average of four per week. My instructors were Nobby Clarke and Ted Roe. Were you at HMS Ganges? Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. 2023 BBC. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. STANDING on a wooden disc about a foot in diameter, and saluting, does not sound too much of a challenge, unless it is 143feet above the ground and you only have a lightning conductor to grip between your knees. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. The mast has been a local landmark since it was. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. It. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. Was anything in this navy free from fear? Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. Even if it amazingly stayed put, as soon as I slammed the rifle onto the parade ground off it popped again. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. AboutPressCopyrightContact. I did climb that mast. Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. #42. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. Doesnt sound too bad does it. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. 1907. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. A Gannett Company. Outbreak of World War One. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. I knew that once the weather was respectable, when it was no longer dangerous, my skinny little skeleton would be transported, step by trembling step, up that perilous rigging. He deserted on numerous occasions and willfully disobeyed orders . Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. Observer career path/ real life experience. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. They looked like what we didn't, sailors. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. 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