But it really is impossible, he says. She really respects him, shes worked with him [on Seinfeld]. In the Oval Office after the election, she reflexively calls out for Gary, and when Keith [Andy Daly] reminds her that hes gone, she gets combative with him. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. But in a career of amoral political moves, and especially in a recent tornado of decisions that saw her cravenly crave a return to the Oval Office at all costsselling out her daughter Catherine (Sarah Sutherland) by outlawing same-sex marriage, selling out Tibet by secretly okaying a Chinese invasion, selling out America by choosing dangerous dolt Jonah (Timothy Simons) as her VPit definitively answered the question that was thematically draped over the season: How far will Selina go to get what she wants? And maybe you see a flicker of that questioning, but it has to be batted away immediately because otherwise. I think itd be very fun to work for Dan. Its so incredibly gratifying. And there's no coming back. And then the past four years before she died, he was out. I think she did feel a tinge of remorse and then she immediately picks up the phone and gets into her facade and hides it away, stuffs all those feelings down and then turns it on again. Youd hate the flowers, he said, in an unusually seething manner, before adding, but I brought the Dubonnet.Gary then placed the lipstick he had saved for Selinas nomination night on top of her casket. Happy Labor Day weekend, America. Its completely void of any joy. I mean, she doesn't dare go down that path of regret. ", It was a playful and ideal wink to the very first episode, in which Mike attempted to console Selina about a gaffe by absurdly suggesting that maybe bigger breaking news could overshadow it: "What if Tom Hanks dies? And even though I looked at all the takes, Julia was the one who said, No, no, no take a look, I think I reacted when I hear the name. And I went back and I saw what she did, what she was talking about, so its intercut much more so that he says Maam, Gary and then youre back on her so it plays on her face, the realization moment. I was like, 'Oh! I kind of love that. That scarily driven, win-at-all costs side of Selina is a hideous sight to behold, except when it comes to the brutal, satisfying comeuppance of Tom James (Hugh Laurie). He wasnt there to make some deal. Gary has been abused, codependent and is just stuck in this obsessive cycle with Selina. And what that says to me is, again, another picture of her weakness and her cowardice. ", Hale called it "perfect" as well, and in expressing his extreme approval for this grim outcome, he opines that it takes two damaged individuals to tangoand that Gary bears some responsibility for that broken relationship. "Nah," she said, reversing course. He certainly didnt deserve to go to jail, but what responsibility, if any, does he own for participating in this horrifically lopsided relationship?Boy, thats an interesting question. Kent is certainly hard to read, but again, if you were the right kind of person for a lot of these people, I think you could survive. [It was] both a combination of starting to think, Well, weve seen a lot of variations of that before, and also this sense of: in America people were behaving very, very badly and not being punished. And so in becoming president, Montez would have held on to her, and that there would have been a moment or two when we went back to the Montez White House, or even maybe trying to call Montez and Sue would have answered the phone, some version of that. And I think had Sufe not been available, we would have gotten rid of that scene and gone with the other scene. This core in him that really cared about her, and really loved her and saw something else that other people didn't see. Thats just a horrific job. I loved it, because it was obviously a salute to the show, but by the way, was also proving my point, Mandel says. But at the end of the day, she is the winner. Kent (Gary Cole) is a full-on hippie-raising alpaca but wants to focus on his watchmaking! Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. And that might be his own wake-up because Gary was always, always buttoned up. Thats the byproduct. He would rather be attacked and cussed at and abused than be distanced from her. And they have had this just crazy ping-pong back-and-forth relationship, and he has constantly screwed her over. The sidelining of the vice president, that it happened to Selina, is a great end for Jonah, and that he got some of the power he wanted, but had to learn what she learned, which is it wasnt much of anything. And then when she was writing the book with Mike, a little bit more about her father. [Mandel took over showrunning duties from creator Armando Iannucci after season 4.] (Photo: HBO) It's been a well-received season of change for HBO's Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandel . Do you haveconfidence in new showrunner, [Curb Your Enthusiasm EP]David Mandel? Everyone roots for her., As for the naysayers, their position was summed up by Jamie Burgess: No. Its sort of the way I treat my in-laws, which is, I never say their name, because my instinct is to call them Mr. And Im certainly not gonna call them by their first name, so I just avoid calling them.. At what price victory? And did you initially try to get her back for more episodes this season?I think at some point there was a thought of seeing her back in the Montez [Andrea Savage] days, season 6. I think that would be important to her., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The top vote getter was Jonah, with Dan as the runner-up (I would need to work for someone who has a soul, Minh wrote of the latter). "It's kind of important actually. She could be a fierce fighter for womens rights and equality. Sydney Grullon spoke more generally: I dont think shes inherently awful, I think deep down she thinks what shes doing is good, at least what she was doing while in office. Prakram Bhushan, meanwhile, was incredibly specific: Selina is a good lover. When watching Veep, Tony Hale can perennially be spotted over the shoulder of Julia Louis-Dreyfus starring character Selina Meyer. That being said, hes a simple soul. Before he walked out the door with his box, he would be back working with her. Gary is constantly getting beat up, so anytime theres an opportunity for a blowup where he can actually express himself, Im in. In your mind, was that one of the last times they spoke?My assumption is, because Selina is Selina, Im sure she occasionally tried via Little Richard, or they bumped into each other. "She wasn't loving the idea of him being . We should also point out that as shes kicking these people out of the office, were ending in a White House where, yes, Sue is outside, but in her inner circle, theres nobody there from the old show. The way that I was surprised, actually, is that even though Selina would never admit it, I do feel like she subconsciously thought she needed Gary around her at all times. Everything is so normal that when she starts to try and ask him like maybe she was going to ask him to just take the fall flat-out and she never finishes the sentence but, of course, his assumption is: do you need me to run across the street to get some coffee? I mean, its the most vicious thing youve ever seen. I mean, its all new people. Thats throughout your life, if thats what youre going to invest in the world, and thats the end of your life. Its not what comes later when shes alone but its that moment of, its like a chill runs down your body because you get the sense that a little chill is running down her. And the realization that this mom and dad is obviously what made this sort of creature, but also that her dad explains a little bit of why shes with Andrew [David Pasquesi]. Its tiny as f, its miniscule as all hell, but its just perfect, seeing this just I dont know, revulsion. The government shutdown episode. And I do think its a little hopeful. Im not going to use the K word, which is Kellyanne [Conway]. She wanted the Dubonnet. Selina Meyer and Gary Walsh, as dysfunctional as their relationship may be, are a beloved duo onVeep. The international opinion on Trump is quite clear, so I think they are fascinated by [whats happening], and horrified, much like a lot of Americans. We even had a [scene], it just didnt quite exactly work, where she was watching the funeral, sort of laughing. She wasnt completely disconnected. I think if you were a math person, Kent might actually take to you. Oscars Best Picture Winners Best Picture Winners Emmys STARmeter Awards San Diego Comic-Con New York Comic-Con Sundance Film Festival Toronto Int'l Film Festival Awards Central Festival Central All Events ], Obviously, Kevin is just wonderful and devastating and so vulnerable and so caring. Klicken Sie auf Einstellungen verwalten um weitere Informationen zu erhalten und Ihre Einstellungen zu verwalten. What did Gary do for Selina on labor day that he referenced to in season 4? Then when shes left alone, she starts to tear up as if shes taking stock of what she has besides this job, and the answer is nothing. "You realize when something like that happens, you're like, 'Oh yeah, this relationship is done. I think those are two old souls that would really enjoy each others company.. In the heat of the moment, there probably was a realization in her mind that hes more than just a lap dog. I moved for the past seven years anytime she said that and the fact that I had to stay there was like, 'Aww, dammnit! She doesn't have empathy for others. Still, a few folks went for it. Then he resigns. "It was really emotional because it was the last episode and that was us kind of saying goodbye even though we had other stuff to shoot," he says. DAVID MANDEL ASKS: Do you want to know what happened on Labor Day? That they murdered somebody just too easy," Mandel says. Right before she hit the stage in Charlotte to accept her party's nomination for president, she tried to prepare Gary for what was about to hit him, while he tried to prepare her for the spotlight with a special lipstick. TVLine is a part of Penske Media Corporation. Thats Washington D.C. for you District of C***s!, MANDEL RESPONDS: Theyre not wrong, he says. Even her saying the line, I couldnt have done it without you. Or me saying to her, Youre not going to have to. We all care about each other so much and there was a lot of emotion wrapped up in shooting that episode. We both agreed that it held a tremendous amount of weight [if we didnt know]. And there have even occasionally been people [who said], Why does she keep falling for it? And their relationship is also pretty screwed up. The production of the convention was large in scale: it was filmed at a real arena in Los Angeles and they dropped a conventions-worth of balloons from the ceiling. Then there was that look on Gary's face. The boat thing was something we had thought a lot about, honestly, when I first got to the show, just the idea that its a boat, not the date, I thought that would be a really fun thing. And you showed no mercy with Amys abortion storyline. But I think for Amy, who was all in on Jonah for a variety of reasons some of which were the decisions shed made in her life in the sense of she chose work over possibly a family and then when you make a decision like that, she had to double down with Jonah. But near the end of Sunday's series finale, it all came crashing down in the show's darkest moment. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. ", Hale had dropped a hint about the finale before it aired, "You reap what you sow," and he seems to apply that to Gary almost as much as Selina. As for the others: I understand the Jonah one, but I think theres an opportunity if youre the right person. Well, a Christmas Carol! That it wasnt just like a movie, that we could license the clips, that it was going to land on his desk. Hopefully there was a support group within that prison that helped him process. You mentioned that Trump was one of several reasons that you and Julia decided to wrap it up, but the show seemed energized by and turbocharged in mocking the current political climate from anti-vax to denying facts and the powers that be with the Meyer Fund and the Chinese election interference. I have confidence because of what he has previously worked on, but also because of his relationship with Julia. A cautionary tale for 2020, this season was simply darker and more brutal than ever. We spend so much time trying to make the irrational rational and hes thinking, Theyre gonna wake up, theyre gonna wake up. She never did. Ethan Hart gave a vague response: Im not sure, but I would love to see a Veep character cry like Carrie on Homeland. Sonia Murray, however, was very specific (Homeland spoiler alert! We do like the long con. MANDEL RESPONDS: It doesnt surprise me that people like Mother. I love Mother. I guess it surprises me that it was such a clear winner, just because its that typical sort of thing its hard to pick among your children, as they say. She didnt really care about Gary but selfishly, I think she thinks that she cant survive without him around. What exactly happened on Labor Day? [spoiler] What happened on Labor Day? He really did deeply, deeply care for her. After this [fight], theyre close again. For example, when the beautiful men were working for Jonah last year as interns, and he really sort of took to them. So I think the level of depravity that happened here, I wasnt necessarily surprised. I root for her because of amazing acting by her actor. Or, put more bluntly by Eman Abdelmouty: Shes the absolute worst. I just want to determine who really is the human crutch in their relationship. Another popular suggestion: Jonah ends up running for president either opposing Selina or with her help. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. And that scene just plays. "For twentysomething years, he had lived in this fantasy and it shook him, and hopefully it woke him out of that to where he can begin living his life. It was actually Frank Rich, our executive producer, who then jumped to, What if its Tom Hanks? I had gone back and rewatched everything again, and so, the pilot was definitely fresh in my mind. When none of that came to pass, lets do the General thing early in the year and plan her funeral, and then lets jump ahead to the future and see it became the idea. TVLINE | How does this impact their relationship moving forward? I know people have been waiting for it. But let me tell you, when youre President of the United States, Gary Walsh is not the guy you want around you. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Season 5s Mother in which Selina lost both her mom and, perhaps more importantly, the popular vote got three times the nods of any other episode. Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally abused and currently marginalized political lackey scorned. In one way, their bond can never be broken, and he will always have some measure of twisted devotion to her. There were a couple of comedies: Atlanta was in there, I think Better Call Saul had a very funny clip, because theyre a comedy-drama kind of a thing. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. We definitely liked the idea of what he went into was interesting. But I think that care and that base level love is what brought him to the funeral. I think he could be a great boss if he somehow liked you, or thought you were like, his guy. Obviously hes got a hair-trigger temper, but I do think the sun can shine from Jonah, he says. Theres no rule that says she has to, but at the end of the day, thats who she is. We were crying during the table read. Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. Mandel has stated many times how grateful he is that the writers decided Selina would lose the election and not be in the White House in Season 6. Thats the outcome of living a life like she did. and when I look back on my 52 years with almost 30 of them spent in public service there is no one who has sacrificed more than me. The MCUs tiniest heroes are kicking off its biggest phase yet, setting up the next several years of storytelling. So we were actually in the sound mix of the episode when we were told this. Veep Showrunner David Mandel Responds to Fans Labor Day Theories. So I think probably the last 15 years of that prison sentence was spent dealing with that and all those feelings. Andrew owns a large company, which is revealed to have funded both sides of the 2012 presidential election. TVLINE | Were you surprised by Garys outburst? I pair that with how excited I am to be able to have had a full-circle moment in Veep, to show the beginning and an end and to walk through the whole journey and to have the whole arc of the series completed. Their only daughter, Catherine Meyer, was born in 1994. says the actress. So why is he there? But when she referred to him as a middle-aged man who gets me my wipes, he had to actually face what she thought of him. It would be a blast. It was just covered with a lot of dysfunction. She has to just let it happen and then turn a blind eye. Even when we got together and watched the last episode [on Sunday night], just swapping stories and talking about our time in Baltimore. But keep in mind, as far as Garys concerned, she shouldve been president years ago. I think he has forgiven her. For the greater good. declares Louis-Dreyfus, who emailed Hanks for his blessing. I think its a credit to Julia that she has found a way to make people care about this character. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. We are in a world now, where this anti-vax stuff is happening, because people just dont believe science and facts. But the arbitrary rule all but . And then picked up right where we were [laughs], right back to that sort of withering stare. Mike McLintock anchored coverage of Selina's funeral as her coffin entered the vagina-shaped crypt. So hell blow up at Dan or Jonah, but never Selina. The Dan-Amy shippers that was never going to happen. It was really like, 'All right, this is it.'". Maybe its all for the best. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: They werent happy about it, but roughly 60 percent said Gary wearing corduroy. Catherine, Gary, Tibet, and pristine federal lands are just some of the collateral damage in this mad dash to the Oval Office. The whole team (reluctantly) returns to work for Jonahs campaign. Starting with the most obvious. But Im guessing it was all very like an angry divorced couple that kind of bumps into each other at the lawyers office. And was there ever talk of making him Selinas VP in the present day, as his political career was accelerating super fast in the final season?Its funny, Ive seen both the Richard becomes her VP or somebodys VP at the convention. Party leaders, looking for someone to beat the popular Laura Montez, turn to Jonah to run for President and throw their support behind him. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: "Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained.". What is her legacy? That became the jumping-off point, and she had done so many terrible things, that party platform issues were just never going to be enough. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. "He's very bitter. I mean, the fact that he says, Im fing everything to you is just Gary would never in his wildest dreams have thought to talk to his queen that way. Regardless of any of that, having taken the time off we did, Im not going to lie, I wanted to come out fighting. He has no clue what is about to happen as they celebrate her nomination. "I remember I was outside the room watching the monitor, hearing her go 'Gary' and I couldn't move. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. She had given into that much of her selfishness and narcissism. Selina wasnt a robot. We settle all family business. So its such an interesting scene because its so emotional, but it is emotional about sending her off to steel herself to do some really bad s. Oh, yes. So it was just a genuine expression of having missed her, but also having been really glad that she showed up. CBS Evening News anchor Mike McLintock (! 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