Well this is interesting. Like what were the conditions under which they learned? Get Notified when Karen Rain's info changes. And you could meditate your way into believing that there was perhaps, but most people are not actually having that experience and we shouldnt be telling them that they should. Today, Kara talks to Trae' Stephens, the co-founder and Executive Chairman of Anduril, about how the growing defense tech industry is using the power of AI and the speed of Silicon Valley to challenge "beltway bandits" like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. If you feel this work is helpful in a way that you would like to support, contributions are deeply appreciated. The only information I unearthed was that she'd become "disillusioned". Karen M. (Haberman) Golson was born c. 1955. And you know, the relationship between the teacher and the student is sacred. But as way of introduction. Karen Rain Speaks About Pattabhi Jois and Recovering from Sexual and Spiritual Abuse. My main point is that is that you dont have to do that work because its already been done for you in, in Rain and Cookes essay. 2005-2020. The fellowship was funded by the FSMPLink opens in a new window (Fondation Sciences Mathmatiques de Paris). Most recently youve written a book about problematic group dynamics in the yoga world and its called Practice and All is Coming: Abuse, Cult Dynamics and Healing in Yoga, and Beyond. We have 24 records for Karen Haberman ranging in age from 39 years old to 79 years old. Phone Numbers. Oh, okay. Or are you giving people the impression that you know, what yoga philosophy says when actually very few people know what or understand the depth and breadth of yoga philosophy? Why shouldnt their sexuality somehow be included in that? Search records by state to find the best match for Karen Rain. What does Karen Rain have to say? Associated persons: Eloise Caldera, Joseph G Caldera, Henning Franzen (951) 227-3174. Its an invention. Its harrowing to read. I am deeply sorry. And he created a victim-centered narrative. 1:47:51. David D Rain, Dianne D Rain, and two other persons spent some time in this place. Theres part of this invocation of tradition that also shielded Pattabhi Jois from scrutiny because one of the things that his students would say, and they say it to this day actually, is that his adjustments, as brutal as they were, as injurious and as intrusive as they were, were traditional. 4 Ditonton. Until that has been done and apologies have been made a call to boycott the Jois shalas in Mysore is only fair. AI isn't just changing search. There was like five likes to it. So I had the sense around 2015 or 16 that if what I was hearing was true and I believed that it was true, that it would really rock the foundations of this particular community. 8 Critical Problems in Modern Yoga, and How to Work with Them, Hes probably BKS Iyengars most famous, most prominent, most senior student, and the one who most embodies his own teaching persona, Michael Roach of the Asian Classics Institute, solo truth and reconciliation tear on his blog, The Embodiment Conference and Beyond: A Trauma-Aware Call to Healing [Guest Post], Trump Eating Poison is a Sacrament of Charismatic Escalation, During COVID-19, Charles Eisenstein Invites You to Think Deeply About His Awesome Writing. According to ZoomInfo records, Karen Haberman's professional experience began in 2005. And you know, even if hes abusing you, maybe hes helping you get over ego. And I have to say, Im deeply grateful to you for your work because its helped me sort through how to engage with that. Heres to continued improvement. Algorithms & Computationally Intensive Inference seminars. Like he was, he was a bad man. Please let us know if you agree to functional, advertising and performance cookies. Like hes doing an amazing amount of public vulnerable, accountability work. But one of the things that has come up for me and trying to talk about it with these hosts and these other studios is, its hard to escape a little bit the idea of or the dynamic of virtue signaling, where you kind of come off pious or sanctimonious: Look, you have this photograph up and youre silencing victims and doing your part of an institutional enablement. Theyre coordinating with a few other second generation of Ashtanga teachers. And I think I really have the work of Alexandra Stein to thank for that because she uses this basic so just a caveat here, when we talk about the psychology of person whos victimized by a cult, its not to say that, you know, there was something inside them that made them more vulnerable. When that came up, that was well known as well. Visit the archive for a tidy list of all my articles. Again, this is very personal for me. And apparently he would stop from time to time, but like somebody who had clearly an illness, he wasnt able to stop for very long. Yeah. 2020 Matthew Remski. What was it about the Ashtanga situation itself that made you want to put it in the forefront of your case study in the book? Thats where we get into the notion of whether or not the method fosters communities that are actually high demand or cultic. Okay. And then there are a psychological processes that can take over that make recruitment easier, dependency, easier, dread of leading, easier but what she says is that the main thing that the cult does is it rewires your way of relating to people, to everyone, really towards the end of the attachment spectrum, known as disorganized, where youre actually in a constant state of love and fear of approaching, but withdrawing, of going to a person for love who on some level is also hurting you, but you feel dependent upon. And its something that Yoga Alliance may adopt in part, not because I wrote it or anything, but because its in the air now theyre doing a renovation of their standards after 19 years. Who did we not listen to? In the last two blogs I've written, I have been discussing Sat-Chit-Ananda, an ancient yogic compound that describes the experience of yoga. I had two similar smaller occurrences when the girls in question simply smiled at me, shook their heads and walked on. And its something about that interpretability that is like essential to his magic, usually his magic that, that you never know quite what hes doing. Its hard to know. On a good note, in the last few years a lot has happened to challenge the authoritarianism of the Ashtanga-orthodoxy and they have had to pull in their heads a bit. You know, theres one comment saying, You know lot of people are going to say youre a very brave person sometime in the future. Fast forward six years later, she republishes her blog. Karen Rain (Haberman). If youve been to a Vinyasa class, you are probably benefiting from Joiss legacy if youve been in a class where rhythmic breathing has been timed with movement in some sort of coordinated way thats all coming from Jois. Or kind of like a trickle down effect into the next generation with regard to how we regard the body and effort and pain in general. But when I first got into yoga, just to put a context on this, when I first got into yoga and started hanging around and studios that had an Ashtanga Yoga program, I did hear these whispers around certain kinds of adjustments and that the euphemism that was given for this kind of very intimate genital touch was called a mulabandha check. "Where did Karen Haberman go? Thank you for believing me now, for understanding that sexual, spiritual and institutional abuse are complex and for not shaming me for not recognizing what was happening to me at the time. We know that Karen's political affiliation is currently a registered Democrat; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as Christian. Somehow, I thought the guru knows better and knows my body better than I (where did I get that idea from?) Thank you, Karen Rain, and Gregor Maehle. I follow you also in the common threads and youve rolled up your sleeves, the knuckles are out and its bit of a knife fight in there, but youre fighting the good fight. Im posting here with a heavy heart the full transcript of Matthew Remskis interview with Karen Rain. He would burst into tears at one point. Find the latest phone number, email address, home address and more ThatsThem for free. He was born in 1915. Great questions. In both cults that I was a recruited into, they presented themselves as, other than what they actually were. Court records for this case are available from Stanley Mosk Courthouse. Like, this is not a regulated profession. How is the community both within Ashtanga and th yoga community outside of Ashtanga receiving this? Now it also implies that the knowledge thats being transferred goes way back in history and has been tested by time. They all openly talk about how, Oh yeah, he blew out my knee and he was doing this, but I got the posture or he led me towards a more advanced position in the series or something like that. PS This post is only a fragment of what needs to be said but I hope to be addressing all that later down the track. Because I think thats essential. Where did she disappear to? She got so far away from the Ashtanga scene in the yoga world in general, she changed her name and its like nobody wanted to ask a little bit further? Now, parampara in precolonial terms, and up until this point, even now in contemporary India, means something very specific about how knowledge is transferred, especially spiritual knowledge in this context. And often that would happen within the of adjustments. And, and, you know, its like, did you, did anybody say that, Ronan Farrow was opportunistic for reporting on Harvey Weinstein? To my knowledge the title was actually conferred to him by a Western senior teacher. Thanks so much for coming on. It does hit me on a personal level. One thing thats come up from me is that Ive had some studios on my schedule that still have photographs of Pattabhi Jois in their altar corner of the studio. A book is a different thing, you know, when its editorialized and fact checked and theres legal backing of publication behind it, its 380 pages long and theres 380 foot notes or whatever, its well-cooked. But at the same time, I dont think I wouldve gotten the book contract without that. SIGN UP; . Opportunistic. By that point, I'm talking to Karen Rain for two years. Its really the beauty and the artistry and I would say the sensuality and the sublimated sexuality of and sometimes not-sublimated sexuality of that imagery that is directly coming from Jois. 9:59. And I also thought that it would rock the foundations of the broader yoga world because Jois is incredibly influential. The thing that listeners need to know is that theres ample video and photographic evidence documenting all of this. Yes, this seems to be a common story. I hope that slowly gets in. Marian C Haberman February 25, 1928 ~ November 29, 2019 (age 91) Marian C. Haberman of Blooming Grove, New York, a retired Office Worker for Walnut Pond Dentistry located in Annandale, N.J., died on November 29, 2019 at St. Luke's Cornwall Hospital, Newburgh, New York. So, you know, those are individual choices for sure. And not with cover-up. During my last stay in Mysuru in 1999 I shared all of my doubts with a friend. And also Id say that its Joiss senior students coming out of his tutelage from the late Sixties, but then especially into the 80s that really give modern yoga its aesthetic in terms of its incredible athleticism, its beautiful, but sometimes scary contortionism. And shes a student and I think shes also an educational specialist. I am glad that I strongly advised any of my students not to go there. Loving mother and mother-in-law of Michael Whitla and the . There were so many instances where she would spend 15 minutes explaining something in class and then turn around and say "oh no I messed that up" and start all over. Youd have to make some personal choices around whether youre using that privilege, the fees that youre getting from the training to push back against that idealization. I proved that I think in my book by citing the work of several historians of medieval yoga, or one in particular, Dr Jason Birch, who says theres no evidence for anybody physically assisting anybody else in a yoga posture prior to the 20th century. Each of the three Sanskrit words, sat, chit, and ananda, all speak of different aspects of . Karen, you have brilliantly explored the issue of complicity in your interview, so I need not embark here on the issue. I know were closing in on your time a bit and I do want to get into maybe the path ahead. Read more. According to her family tree, she married Jimmy D. Golson on July 6, 1987 in Texas . She enjoys dancing, going for walks in the woods with her three cats and playing games with friends. Current address 81693 Camino El Triunfo, Indio, CA 92203 $1,760: B. Thats a really crucial moment actually because one of the things that comes up in each one of these yoga or Buddhist community, you know, spiritual, physical, emotional, sexual abuse cases is that the behavior of the actual actions of the leader of the perpetrator are always interpretable. And teachers like you and Monica Gauci and others are much more deserving of the label Ashtanga (8 limbed) Yoga teachers. And they wont hurt because of it financially. So I hope those are helpful ideas. She had disappeared! I could have been one of the women who simply smiled at you, shook their heads and walked on when you approached them about the sexual abuse. A. I think she is a scatterbrain. In the last 24 hours I have hear from several sides that the video showing KP Jois sexually assaulting and adjusting violently students has been taken down several times by petitions of Jois followers. Karen M. (Haberman) Golson . This is a great apple! How do the spiritual metaphysics factor in to this cocktail of toxic group dynamic? Thats a huge, hugely important piece that I think gets overlooked. production of Cabaret as part of our 2016-2017 KeyBank Broadway at the . After high school on Long Island, New York, she went . I hope that people are able to begin to look at the communities that they live in a little bit more critically, to look at the kind of leadership that they have a little bit more critically and start modelling that critical thinking. And that by his, usually its his touch, or their gaze or they can strike you with a peacock feather that theres a literal sort of a transmission of spiritual realization into the students body. And in the Ashtanga world, you couldnt say around the breakfast table at Mysore: He sexually assaulted me. After practise I approached her, told her that I saw what happened and that I was happy to accompany and support her if she wanted to take it up with him. Whats more obvious here is that this guys sexually assaulting women. Karen lived in 1974, at address, Wisconsin. Also, those who are still touching the feet of that emperor without clothes should think whether they are not continuing that trajectory of power transfer that leads to unhealthy relationships and abuse. TM, who is the one testimony giver who wanted to remain anonymous described feeling as though she was just a piece of ass who was there for him to hump her or to give him pleasure in some way. Karen Rain (antes Karen Haberman) cuenta su experiencia como vctima de abuso sexual por parte de Pattabhi Jois, creador del ashtanga yoga. And we have endowed it with a kind of orientalist idealistic mysticism, and that has become one of its main selling points. No, thats not what they said. Now here I am talking about providing a safe space where you can heal but I have to actually thank you for providing a safe space to me where I can come out. Thanks for your response, Katchie Ananda. Karen grew up in I learn new terminology and how it is used most times I listen to these interviews and that helps me get past that confusing re-framing that still haunts me as a survivor. And thats super important because one of the reasons that Jois was allowed to be who he was is that nobody gave him any limits. Karen has been found in 27 cities including Encino, Tarzana, La Jolla, San Diego, Corvallis. But the whole notion that the teachers should always have their hands or should have their hands on a student at all times that comes from his particular pedagogy. Yeah. I totally agree with you, Karen, that sexual abuse is not about sex. Karen Haberman might be my least favorite teacher of all time. I hope that we can show that we are more than a cult. In a more contemporary story, what were seeing with Manouso Manos right now. In my case, it was, in my case, it was Michael Roach of the Asian Classics Institute or Charles Anderson at Endeavor Academy. I lay in bed for a long time and reflected, a process that continued through the night and in half daze this morning when reading the rest. Sharaths spot was front right and I think you practised next to him. Please dont feel bad thinking that you could have or should have done something differently. But how did you come to a focus on the Ashtanga yoga situation in particular and what was going on in that that you felt needed to be highlighted? As Im listening to you, Im imagining the listener that may not be familiar with the Mysore style of practice. Find Karen Haberman's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. And so I think its unfortunate that I already had a name coming into this particular work, that I carried the baggage of past work with me. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Now I would say what the organization has to do is say, Okay, who actually trained under this guy and who would attribute their certification to him and who was tested by him?, Because everybody involved in that is going to have to answer some questions about, Well, what did you actually learn from him? We all focussed on our drishti (focal point) and practised as if the devil was breathing down our necks, literally. I am a Harrison Early Career Assistant Professor in the Department of Statistics at the University of Warwick. Landlines (2) (413) 256-0152 (413) 207-3124 View Karen's Phone Numbers. The deception is the threshold. Ive spent two years interviewing Karen Rain. Theyre supposed to be concentrating on their own stuff. Karen Rain, 56. The network of complicity. I guess the other thing that Jois would do is that he would just steal money from students. I feel like if Im going to a place that still venerates put a Jois-type figure that in some ways my, my showing up is complicit with this network of complicity. Right, and thats part of what alienates you from your own, even your will to, to propose an alternative or to ask questions, which of course youre not allowed to do. And also so earth shattering is that you know he doesnt phrase it this way but the research as he lays it out basically says what we have believed about the modern posture, about the modern yoga movement is mostly deceptive. Nobody shared it. When I spun around I saw what looked to me like him grabbing her buttocks and rubbing himself against her while he stood between her legs and she was back arching. Does it raise my profile? You can download the mp3 here. So he was doing that or he was helping her heal from sexual trauma. Lets not start talking about the chakras. More than ever one person defines exactly what is correct practice. My aim is to popularize the use of interdisciplinary tools from cult psychology and critical theory, for instance towards the creation of safer practice spaces. Find Karen's age, current and past home addresses, mobile phone numbers, email addresses, and known relatives. New information found for Karen Haberman. Previously, I was a postdoctoral fellow in the Laboratoire Jacques-Louis Lions at Sorbonne Universit with Prof Ugo Boscain and a member of the Inria Paris team CAGE. No, theres no part of Ashtanga Yoga that said to Karen Rain, Hey, this is a cult in which youll be sexually assaulted every day! Ill give an example of a concept that carries both of these histories. If you feel this work is helpful in a way that you would like to support, good wishes and contributions are deeply appreciated. View Details. And thats a tough place to be in. And you know, she laid out this five point, this is how my participation in this organization is complicit with this abuse history and here are the five things that Im going to do now in my classes to make sure that I dont carry any of those impacts on. There has been a couple of other statements like that, but hers is a real standout. Sat: The Sanskrit Term for "The Real Deal" chad. When you look on Instagram today at #yoga you will see images that really had their birthplace in terms of their sensuality their, their structure, the whole aesthetic really comes out of the Jois movement. And you know, she didnt give the impression in the interview that she totally bought off on the idea then, but she bought off on it enough to be confused and to be disarmed and to be put in this position where she felt that her own critical thinking or her resistance to the idea was somehow problematic. Youve lost your old friends probably, or youve written them off or theyre not enlightened enough for you, or youre just separated from them because youre in an ashram or something. Theres a lot of aspirations involved there. So people are capable of all kinds of BS when it comes to the interpretability of the magical person. As Karen Rain says, this whole sort of slew of cryptic justifications arose around his behavior. Well, every group does say that though. You know, but you dont have to do that work because the survivors have done it for you. Now thats new. And in Yoga at large, I know yoga is kind of like the wild, wild west of, industries. And part of the story that started to accrue around what Jois was doing as he was sexually assaulting women and possibly men too, thats not verified by first person testimony though. Within the Ashtanga world in general, what reforms do movements do you see happening and what, what gives you a sense of hope? On 03/21/2018 KAREN SHARON HABERMAN filed a Personal Injury - Motor Vehicle court case against MICHAEL LEIDNER in Los . And it worked. Warm regards I finally, because I could passively listen, got caught up with the history and circumstances of the assaults with this interview. On 03/21/2018 KAREN SHARON HABERMAN filed a Personal Injury - Motor Vehicle court case against MICHAEL LEIDNER in Los Angeles County Superior Courts. He gained the trust. 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