Guiding Romantic Desire: Wisdom in the Sexual Ethics of Islam, Custodianship of the Right Hand: Concubinage, Rape, and Sexual Slavery in Islam. Does 22:45 say thamud castles and palaces are empty in the present tense with the well or is this verse talking about something else, 13. One-third of the tombs, which are amongst the largest, are clearly dated to between 0-75 CE. Secondly, the Ayaat are not only meant for the Sahaba, they are also for us and for all times and so when the Quran asks the readers to look at what happened to those before, it is meant for us as well. Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. Jumping the gun, 2. These things had huge doors, elaborate engravings, complex designs, and must have been an amazing sight in their time. This genealogical relationship is further reflected in the theory . It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. declares the LORD. 5. Are Hadiths Anti-Semitic? 4. It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. I am also writing an text on this that I inshaAllah will put up online. Chaldeans formed when actual tribe of thamud perished so you are not correct . Based on the Quranic and Biblical evidence, and the lack of archeological evidence which can conclusively show that every single structure that is excavated, and those that will be excavated in the future, are all Nabatean in origin, I believe carving out structures on hills and mountains originated with the Thamud, which was later adopted by the Edomites, which later still, was adopted by the Nabateans. Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. [21] Syrians who belonged to Monophysitic denominations welcomed the peninsular Arabs as liberators. SSH and Password-less communication using SSH, Basics of Cryptography and Digital Signature, The Quranic tribes of 'Aad and Thamud - a historical perspective, Lenin khuda ke huzoor mein: A simplified commentary, Q 7:74 mentions Thamud as building houses out of mountains, while Q 54:31 confirms that they were destroyed by a shriek. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. It is possible that multiple unrelated groups took on the name of Thamud; they probably spoke Old Arabic. More than a century after Jesus, in the reign of the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius (d. 180 AD), we find that a part of the Thamud tribe was enrolled in the Roman army. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. Aad are mentioned as another Arabian tribe destroyed by God for rejecting their Prophet Hud. If we say Allah sent Nabateans a Messenger, then we would have to say that Allah sent them a Messenger WAY back (since there were no Prophets or Messengers between Isa and Muhammad (sall Allahu alayhim wa sallam) and only destroy them hundreds of years later. Missionaries and polemicists seize upon the error of this folklore as an alleged example of the error of the Quran, but in reality, this is not the case. In my research, I did discover that the tombs do contain pre-Nabatean inscriptions. I am unsure if the root word but atharan can mean impact. [Qur'an . Four generations is only about eighty years and its unlikely, in my humble opinion, that they were able to establish a new socieity, invent a new religion, and forget all about their ancestors the Aad in such a short time. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. I will post the links here for now. I am sure that is not the intention but it may appear like that. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. But as is clear from the above discussion, Thamud were thriving as late as maybe the 4th century AD, while the people of Aad have left their final trails, only a few centuries before that. Satan made their actions seem good to them and so debarred them from the Way, even though they were intelligent people. Beni Hassan defeated both Berbers and Black Africans in the region, pushing them southwards to the Senegal river while the Arab tribes settled in Mauritania. Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). Secondly, 15:81 makes it clear that they denied a Messenger sent to them and were destroyed as a consequence. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Al-Bu, Albu, Banu. This also makes it clear that the people were punished. These Thamud built gigantic castles, hundreds of feet high, and they literally carved them right into the sides of mountains. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. Point by Ismail about the order of the messengers from earliest to latest also is something to ponder over and maybe the people of the Hijr are different from the Thamud. Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? God knows best. When they came here, there would have been many buildings and they made their buildings alongside them and eventually, theirs outgrew the previous ones. So leave her to eat within Allahs land and do not touch her with harm, lest there seize you a painful punishment. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. By about 850 BCE, a complex network of settlements and camps was established. JazakAllah. Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. God destroyed them. I would be interested in your response to my other points as well. that that Thamud did it then the edomites took over then the nabteaons but all I know is that Thamud existed before 3000 bc so 3000 bc is probably when they were destroyed then the edomites revamped them made them look new then the nabteaons did the same and I believe the tribe of ad was destroyed weather 5-8 thousand bc and I believe noahs flood was around the ending off the ice age what was between 10-13 thousand bc became the population of the world was only 1 million at 10 thousand bc and no more than 20 million people at 5000 bc what makes stuff interesting but as a side note if the quran does say that noahs people was the first to commit shirk then ad then thamud but none at the same time or between then thamud had to come before 9000 bc so that was when they would be destroyed because the gobeki tepe was built then and that was definitely pagan shirk but this is my opion but thanks, And of course ad was the descendents of noah and thamud was the descendents of ad. It was these nine families that cause much of the problems for Salih. As menitoned earlier, the Aad were a strong, brutish, and conquering people. These include Sunni Huwala and Achomi people, who compromise of both fully Arab and mixed Arab-Persian families. Take your time and let it sink in: 1. It is very conceivable that those individuals who established this society became the pillars of the nation and their descendents took advantage of that and maintained a stranglehold on the wealth of the nation. A similar narrative can be found in Jeremiah 49:16 Updates? And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. Thus, at the end, the people of al-Hijr are mentioned. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. That they were better than you in building these fallen down relics 2. [25], Some Islamic sources claim that the Banu Thaqif tribe, an Arab tribe from Ta'if in the period of Muhammad, was descended from a survivor of the Thamud (sometimes a slave of Salih). The Quran and Sunnah do not identify any specific existing ruins as belonging to the first ancient tribe of Thamud, although some Muslim historians and popular folklore have done so. Shaitan (Satan) made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and turned them away from the (Right) Path, though they were intelligent. The prophet was a man of his times and of his own personal experiences, he could have attributed what he saw to the Thamud due to the fact that the Thamud lived on the exact region as these ruins. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. BUY ISLAMIC BOOKS by The Sincere Seeker for Adults & Children on AMAZON: https://www.amazon.com/thesincereseekerFOLLOW The Sincere Seeker on social media to . This is an article I recently wrote. This shouldnt be surprising as the Quraish, and in fact most faiths, do the same thing. Adites conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites( They are known as the people of Us, When actual tribe of ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the banu thamud who are from him, they livedfrom North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians . As we know, he gave the nations some period until the determined day of punishment. This individual was probably a merchant or official in service of the Babylonian court. Are you telling us to change our religion from our fathers relgion? Otherwise, it could be also the Lihyanites, who disappeared some time before Isa (as), they also had some kind of rock art. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. Arabization and Islamization of Syria began in the 7th century, and it took several centuries for Islam, the Arab identity, and language to spread;[19] the Arabs of the caliphate did not attempt to spread their language or religion in the early periods of the conquest, and formed an isolated aristocracy. We have heard a message from the LORD: and make your home on the heights, During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom, The buildings are not homes but are actually tombs, The inscriptions in al-Hijr are not those made by Thamud , At 26 instances in the Quran Thamud are mentioned by name and in none of those contexts they have been called People of al-Hijr, Where the carvings done by Thamud are mentioned the place of it is also mentioned, Quran 89:9 where the places is mentioned as al-Wad which means Wad lQura, The carvings made by the people of al-Hijr are mentioned in 15:82 and the people of al-Hijr is a title of the Nabateans. They are of Arab origin, but now of mixed blood mostly with Nilo-Saharans and Nubians. [4] Historian Israel Eph'al questions the plausibility of Sargon's account, as the briefness of Sargon's account seems to be at odds with the fact that such a campaign deep into Arabia would have been one of the longest wars in Assyrian history, and because no mention of plunder is provided. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. A Reminder of the Story of 'Aad and Thamud by Ibn Kathir, taken from Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 8 Darussalam 2000 As for `Ad, they were arrogant in the land without right and they said: 'Who is mightier than us in strength?' See they not that Allah Who created them was mightier in strength than them. The structures were not built by the Thamud but by the Nabateans. The tribes of Arabia descend from either one of the two Arab ancestors, Adnan or Qahtan. As for option 2, we know next to nothing about the Thamud. 27:52 means that their dwellings were destroyed but visible to the onlookers and the Prophet () and the Sahaba saw them but we cannot see them today Or just left a lot of material in the land 7. Or symbolic its talking about the left more of a legacy in there story. what enemy, ever so warlike and powerful, will venture to invade my land, or besiege me in my strong hold? Edomites, Lihyanites and Nabateans inherited this skill? Part 1_ The story of Musa. The above article contained links to images which do not show up in here after I copied and pasted them from my ms word. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. These Arab tribes have played a role in the demographic changes in the Arab world through the increase of the Arab population,[8] as well as the ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and genetic Arabization of the Levant and North Africa.[9]. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them. Is their carved construction still there today? Umar reported that the people encamped along with Allahs Messenger () in the valley of Hijr, the habitations of Thamud, and they quenched their thirst from the wells thereof and kneaded the flour with it. SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. [2] The Quran endorses this fact; they were not outright destroyed and the believers survived: Then look! It is not specific to the 2 Arab tribes. Thamud used to carve out rocks in the valley who occupy the heights of the hill. They very well could be the predecessors of the Edomites as they lived around the same area, and according to the Bible, they practiced the tradition of carving dwellings into the rocks. Instead, they tried to engage Salih in debate. 63-65. If accurate, the Prophet Salih (s) would have lived many generations and perhaps centuries before Moses. This is an odd conclusion. Imagine if in a thousand years, the United States is a completely different landscape, much of it devoid of inhabitants and all of the history associated with its people are lost. Hence, they had become very rich. However, there survived long after that, people who still called themselves Thamd. [28] 2. Think over this in detail. Compounding the confusion is the fact that the tribal name Thamud is applied today to a broad section of different peoples throughout history, not only to those mentioned in the Quran. The word Thamud appears in the Annals of the Assyrian king Sargon II (r. 722705 BCE), inscribed at Dur-Sharrukin. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee 12. Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird We cannot preclude the notion that structures that are completely different from what has been found so far, will be found in the future. Source: Sahih Muslim 2981, Grade: Sahih, . Allah sent the Prophet Hud to give the Aad the message of Islam. The Akkadians are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who absorbed The Amorites. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. copyright@ Atowar Rahman Salafi || year 2021, may, @Copyright_ Atowar Rahman Salafi One of the main lessons I see is that we must be very careful about mocking or challenging Allah. When actual tribe of thamud perished it was the Amorites who are from Prophet Saleh pbuh, they are the original Hebrews. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. and the pride of your heart have deceived you, In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are yet to be discovered. [Quran 27:45]. 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