Cardinal Honda in Groton, Connecticut told me I would need a junk yard engine or new plugs to get by temporarily after finding code PO301. My perspective is that Honda engineering pushed VCM a little to much to get their EPA rating up 1 or 2 miles to a gallon. Bought a 2009 Accord 4 Cylinder and Im having to put quite a bit of oil in too. My car does shudder a bit between 20 and 50 mph when it deactivates some of the cylinders. Honda will voluntarily recall 120 Odyssey vehicles and 150 Pilot vehicles from the 2013 model-year in the United States to replace the engine short block, free of charge. Spoke to my service advisor today, and he informed me that there was another 2011 Honda Odyssey that was brought in today for the same reason. Mike. does not burn oil nor any codes. I have a 2010 Pilot. What a mistake to buy Honda??? My question is where is all this oil going? The dealership wont budge on the $3000 repair costs, ridiculous. BTW Have you found out what compliance bushings do? I have 2008 Honda Accord, it burn the oil like crazy, i have to keep an eye on it all the time and fill the oil at least 1 litter every week. My car was dropped off with an appointment on July 16, but I dont know how long it sat before the diagnosis, etc. I didnt have an extended warranty so Honda care wasnt much help but the department manager of my Honda dealership was helpful Im not sure if it was because I called so often (and was a squeaky wheel) but he was very helpful. I have been a loyal Honda buyer for 25 years. I took my 2010 Pilot to the RSM Honda Dealer yesterday for the exact problem (1 piston ring, cylinder misfire $4700 quote) and told the dealer about your comments, postings of similar issues and the dealer will not help. Content on odyclub.com is generated by its users. UPDATE: A federal judge granted final approval to the Honda engine misfire class action settlement at the Final Fairness Hearing. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. I decided to get the car fixed at the dealer since the vehicle was stranded there. I am highly upset, in that, I purchased the car new in June 2013 and records online show that Honda new about this issue BEFORE I purchased the car. We didt have to pay out of pocket expense because it was under warranty. I understand from the dealer that, regardless of when I learned about the suit, theres nothing they could have done until I experienced a problem. I think I've done 25-30 of these piston/rings cars and they are not bad to do. The primary purpose of TSBs is to inform dealers about known problems with a car and how to fix them. I know its been a few months since you posted this but thought I would answer in the event that this could help you or others. I know this Sux.. but thats all I know to do at this point.. Had the same problem with my 2011 Honda Accord. as of summer 2013 vibration has gotten less (70-90% does vibrate every now and then only when cold, still very small vibration is felt at idle even when warm). We struggled to make the dealership file a claim and pursue Honda USA for a new motor. yes? I might ask how much are they charging you for all of this? I will also be asking for a history printout to show, weve been in, several times, and no one brought this to our attention. Now have 104k miles and have spent the last 3 months troubleshooting a misfire code with our mechanic. And if this isnt performed, it will continue to happen. - Bristow, VA, USA Isnt Honda and their dealers required to DISCLOSE/ADVISE/MAKE PUBLIC to buyers of vehicles they sell or have for sale that are with in the parameters of the vehicles with the flaws included in a class action law suit?? Anyone have luck getting one? When I get to the dealership I find out that I have a $240 bill. First let me say that I bought a Honda based on their history of a long life expectancy.now Im a very unhappy Honda owner!! If you have any recalls on your Pilot, reach out to Honda's customer service at 1-800-999-1009 to get the ball rolling on repairs. Recall date. When I took them to task about it, they backed off their initial stance that it was going to cost me around $6000 to repair. My minivan(11, odyssey) was having this misfire from time to time. Im pretty sure that everyone who has dealt with a Honda Service person has has the same story. You can also check with the dealer, which will know which (if any) recalls pertain to your car. Commenters on another board to which I posted suggested having something called a VCMuzzler installed. I dont really feel tight trying to sell car outright know the potential of whats about to go wrong . I just purchased a 2012 exl v6 w/nav 2 months ago. And finally my wife loves this car Im ready for a divorce from the car, not my wife :-). At the third one I was down only .5 quart again (fishy). Theyre not actual complete circles, they are semi-circles, with an opening, a circle w/a small gap in other words. Thank you GeorgeSanJose for the detailed explanation! The second TSB involves pistons that may get stuck open and cause high oil consumption. That is, until recently when it started miss firing. TERRELL MARSHALL DAUDT & WILLIE PLLC, Michael F. Ram Honda Automobile Customer Service Recall Line: (888) 234-2138 Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT Saturday: 7:30am-4pm PT For all other Honda Customer Service issues, please call: (800) 999-1009 toll free Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline (888) 327-4236 toll free safercar.gov It had only 8,800 miles on it and I only drive about 5,000 a year. However I will never invest in a Honda vehicle again! Very curious!! Replacement of or failure related to any seal or gasket. So, as long as I keep the van I will have to replace every year? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This is the 3rd time in a month and a half Ive had a misfire in cylinder 3. I have a 2012 Honda Crosstour and is experiencing flashing engine light, hesitate to drive, some shaking if I drive more than 40 miles. My frustration is with the dealership in not answering questions and saying, It should be ready in a few days several times and the days have taken weeks. 3:12-cv-01377-SI, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. And I dont know much about the particulars of the lawsuit. Same issue with 2004 Honda Odyssey, along with several other defects! I have the same issue. status of any class action settlement claim. I agree on another law suit! They suggested getting a good, used motor at the cost of over $5,000 as it might cost more to figure it out and fix than the motor would cost. Automobiles have a unique 17-character VIN. I now have 53.000 miles, and it does not use any oil! Replied I have a 2008 Honda Accord 4 cylinder using excessive oil and has been pretty much since it was purchased. All Rights Reserved. I have always LOVED Honda, but now I am very skeptical. Ive owned 5 Odysseys, 2 Accords, 2 Acura Integras, 1 Acura Vigor, 1 Honda RIdgeline, 1 Honda CBR, 1 Honda lawnmower. I recently brought my car in for the last Oil consumption reading and it was found that the engine burned at least 2 quarts in less than 1200 miles. You will get the same problem less than 15-20k miles down the road after the recall . Required fields are marked *. We are DONE! The proposed class action settlement was preliminarily approved by U.S. District Judge Susan Illston on Oct. 9, 2013. Was told by dealer too late to repair under warranty even though I bought less than 2 years ago. Either Sta-Bil 360 or Startron - I favor the Startron after using Sta-Bil for years. We brought it to the dealership, they diagnosed the condition as cylinder one misfire, agreed that we were candidates for the extended warranty repair which included at first software update and then we were advised to drive the vehicle to determine if there was further failure of the piston rings. Now, we had to replace the catalytic converter. I also plan on contacting the lawyers, who dealt with this case before, to see if there is anything that can be done. Also, make sure the correct number of characters has been entered. When I took them to task about it, they backed off their initial stance that it was going to cost me around $6000 to repair. I finished driving home (about 7 miles) and had it towed to the dealer. There's a product by Kano Labs called 'KREEN' that is made for this purpose. American Honda Motor Co. has agreed to a class action lawsuit settlement over claims it manufactured defective Accord vehicles that burn oil too quickly. Remember this is the 2011 Odyssey that had the piston rings replaced via warranty in August 2015 at 42,826 miles, and then same issue again in May 2021 at 123,000 miles. Employee for 13. If Honda USA is indeed covering the repair, it is reasonable to expect them to intercede on your behalf when the dealer is taking so long. I guess shes not concerned with us getting any longevity since its not looking like we will be repeat Honda owners. Any avenue to get this piston issue addressed? Since then my 2010 Crosstour has continued to consume an extra 2 quarts of oil per oil change. As, 3rd Gen: 3rd owner - 2007 maroon EX 240,000m (will trade for RA3!). This is our main vehicle that we drive everywhere. Having to closely monitor oil levels and add 2-3 quarts between oil changes. TheVCMuzzler II is a simple device that can be installed and removed in minutes without cutting into the OEM harness at all. Is there a way that I can be covered under this same class action suit? I am not sinking $3500 into a car that continues to depreciate and is currently only worth ~$5000 private party. Any comments? They then updated my computer. What about those of us who have 4-cylinder engines? Honda covered all costs for repairs and also covered the cost of a rental car for that time period. I am worried that I will not have problems until after the 8 year drivetrain warranty is up. I am having the same problem with my 2011 Honda Pilot. I went about two weeks later to get a new battery and the guy at the local place (not the dealer) said that the oil was overfilled. Have that phone call recorded too, and reference number to the 45 min conversation. Soto Class Action Settlement Only thing I can do is drive it and trade/ sell it after the warranty. Then the catalytic converter failure is currently our issue, or could be oil leaking into the piston ring, burning gas, or could be something else? Is 1 and a half quarts of oil enough oil for the car to run properly? Local Honda representative said Honda would cover 70% but they should really cover 100% since its a know problem with this generation of vehicle. Honda repaired those vehicles at no cost and extended engine warranty. They want me to fork over $3900. Before I contact Honda Regional or Corporate I t. I have a 2014 Odyssey and had a fouled spark plug at 17,000 and another at 30,000. The Honda engine misfire settlement will resolve a class action lawsuit (Soto, et al. Honda is saying that cylinder 6 is not covered under the lawsuit settlement. I can get my oil changed and within 2 weeks my car is 2 quarts low on oil easily. So my question is do I need to sign up for this class action suit? We purchased used from a dealership 12 months ago with 88,000 miles. Old air filter had black oil all over it, first time ever in 50 yrs of Hondas! I'm terrified to have it happen to me againbeing on a busy interstate when my van starts losing power and is difficult to maneuver. The junk yard engine would cost $4000 not including labor. I have an 08 Honda Accord. The car runs perfect still. Honda dealerships are instructed to perform related repairs for free under the new 8 years and unlimited mileage warranty. If the motor had lower end damage caused by a severe top end melt down, the entire motor was replaced. I told them that it had been overfilled and that I had it checked both before and after their checks and know there is a Class Action Suit and that they fudged the numbers to make it not need the fix. I have been looking online to find anything about only cylinders 1-4 being covered but havent came across anything. These engines are assembled at the factory. I purchased my 2011 Honda Pilot in Feb.2019 and was not aware of this issue after i have taken my car in for $2000 worth of work that was done, May 2019 before the warranty ran out Aug.2019 . Replace the plugs, put a bottle of injector cleaner in the tank and fill with top tier Premium gas. Im not leaking anything, but if I dont check the oil regularly, Im certain Im going to damage the engine. I love my vehicle but I am so frustrated with this already. We have serviced our vehicle and kept it up to service. There should not be a time limit since its continuing to happen. I had a 2012 Honda pilot. I have a 2008 Honda Accord V-6 EXL. This was your flaw with engine design not mine. Ingenuity is key here. We just now are having engine misfires to the tune of $3300. Thanks. What can we do? I have a feeling that next week when I call they will say itll be another week. https://topclassactions.com/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php, UPDATE: Reimbursements from the Honda Engine Misfire Class Action Settlement, Honda Engine Misfire Class Action Lawsuit Settlement, http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/23055-honda-engine-misfire-class-action-settlement-gets-final-ok/, Abbott baby formula recall lawsuit investigation, American Tuna false advertising class action lawsuit investigation. It is recommended that you input your VIN. I have a 2009 honda accord exl v6, Ive had all of the above problems. My 2010 Honda Odyssey with only 40,000 miles had flashing engine light. You would think that Honda would have a responsibility, once they know of the issue,, to inform prospective purchasers of the issue. We bought it PRE owned/certified in 2014 and have had several issues since. Now now accelerator is getting worse in losing connection with the engine. Wait until the engine is cool. to claim cash from in our It will open your eyes. My Accord gave codes for cylinder 1, 2, and 3 misfire. I hope they fix it today because I am getting rid of it moving on to a better car. The entire top end of the motor was replaced. It would appear that the excessive oil leakage into the cylinders not only caused the failure of the spark plugs, but has now caused permanent damage to the catalytic converters as well. The dealership had us call Honda Customer Care and ask if they would extend for us since we are just 4 months past. What they ought to be getting is a new class action law suit to show they are still doing business as usual deceiving the public and making a boatload of money in the process! Crooks. We have had trouble with that car from day of purchase. Shanon Carson It was down a quart. Our newest member: Eduardo AMPM Now I just hope it is done correctly since it seems like a major problem. So what are the symptoms of the issue here? Installing a "muzzler" will in most cases fix the problem. Car Battery not powering ignition during cold weather (2018 VW Atlas). My Honda Pilot just presented with the misfiring issue for the first time. I agree! My 4 cylinder is also doing this. 13V016000. I went to my dealeship with all the documentation of what I was finding online, the lawsuit had not been settled yet. Thanks. Honda's recall numbers are JB4 (Honda Odyssey) and JB5 (Honda Pilot). Honda agreed to the class action settlement in order to avoid the costs of a trial. Thank you for the help! this is a bullshit settlement. replaced due to a recall. v. American Honda Motor Co. Inc., Case No. I do not trust anything the dealership says about my 2012 Honda Crosstour. Click Here for More Details. HOW DO I FIND IT BURNS EXCESS OIL? Honda offering to extend warranty on the piston ring update repair for I4s to 8 years / 125,000 Miles. It was starting to make sense to me then. I have to add 2-3 quarts depending how much I drive. Maybe someone can help meI have 2010 Honda PilotI was driving it on the highway..The check engine light came on as well as the VTM-4 lightIt didnt fell any different. Please object, complain or otherwise make this crappy settlement more noticeable. The vehicle is eight years and three months old. Class Members do not need to take any action to obtain the warranty extension, which will cover repairs for the affected vehicles within eight years of the original purchase or lease date of the vehicle, with no mileage limitation. This sounds like because of the oil burning to quickly. This problem is not limited to the V6. This website is not intended for viewing or usage by European Union citizens. Why is it not illegal for a Honda Dealership to sell you a Honda Pilot 2011 if the engine misfire and piston ring/ foul sparkplug and oil burning problem is inevitable for all? The parties agree that there are no safety concerns with the vehicles named in the litigation. Terms and Conditions. I took it to the dealer and they said it had the above misfire issue and great news I have this amazing FREE extra warranty that will cover all the repair costs, but it will NOT cover the diagnostic evaluation for $100 and the rental car for $40 plus tax per day. Even though I purchased an extended warranty for the car, which my cars milage is well within, I had to pay $42.71 out of pocket for the oil change to begin the oil consumption readings. Long story. I definitely plan to have a muzzler installed, even if I have the dealer ring job done. I agree Im having problems with my 2010 crosstour. Can I file to get the extended warranty. The other day, I turned on the AC in a drive thru because it was so hot, and the moment I put my car in drive to leave, it died. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. ENGINE BUILDING IS NOT A SIMPLE BRAKE JOB!! Honda has decided not to honour its own product so I can no longer support them. TONS of MDX, pilot, ridgeline, etc running VCMuzzlers or similar options on the market. The VCM recall fix is temporary. I will say that I called the dealership numerous times (the service department and manager) and Honda care many times. Thanks for listening to my rant and have a nice life:(. My 2011 Odyssey, in the last few months, has a misfire. Now my pilot is experiencing same problems as described. 2021 Honda Pilot Edit Recalls Near 00000 3 Safety Recalls Found for Cars Like Yours Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. Are you sure this a recall, or just the warranty extension that everyone got a long time ago for this issue. If only the cylinder head is being serviced and theres a valve problem at 70k miles, in most cases that is due to incorrect valve lash; meaning the lash is too tight and which causes the valve and valve seat to burn. I feel like we should take out another claim/lawsuit with Honda since there are so many of us. Auto machine shops usually stay busy so having a cylinder head tied up for several weeks or more is not uncommon depending upon the workload. I just want to ensure that if i donothing, that a warranty extension will automatically be in force, protecting my vehicle for a period of time. I have children, Im paying double rent for a car that does not work. Dated 1-20-2015. Almost immediately, they all misfired again. Almost immediately, it misfired again. since day one vibration @ idle when cod, 95% less when warmed. I am on the hook for paying for the problem. And misleading, crooked company!! My car runs so bad, shakes like crazy, doesnt accelerate, burns oil like no other, and I have to leave the AC off (even though the weather is in the high 90s right now) for my car to run decent enough to take it anywhere. A recall is a recall lets file another suite. The manual says to adjust valves at 100k. Solved Especially when. I might ask what year and how many miles on the car as the description could point to a tight valve caused by failure to adjust the valve lash. Question is how long this Misfiring issue will last and will it be covered next time. 2 days ago while we were out of town, it happened again going down the interstate. Its unfair to not also be included in the settlement when we had no way of knowing this when we purchased our vehicles!! They are offering us a 15% discount for our trouble. Engine repaired as required under settlement. This affects 2008-2011 Hondas and includes an extended 8 year or 125,000 warranty to cover the costs of replacement. Heres an idea: You might argue that since they havent provided you an accurate forecast for the garage time needed to effect the repair, Honda should provide you a loaner car in the meantime. I dont expect everything to be perfect, but I do expect that when problems arise my dealership provides good customer service and fixes the problem. I have a 2011 Honda Pilot they unfortunately had the piston rings issue that was common for the model. They are all aware that this is a Huge Honda Problem. He initially tried to say that people can read the dipstick differently but then told me that he would call the field agent. BEWARE! A federal judge granted final approval to the Honda engine misfire class action settlement at a March 21, 2014, Final Fairness Hearing. I am having to constantly put oil in it. The dealer finally agreed to fix the car, saying something is wrong with the piston rings and I dont have to pay a cent for the fix. I barely bought the van about 1 or 2 years ago its a 2009 Honda odyssey. THIS IS THE 3RD TIME IM HAVING THIS ISSUE. When someone brings in a cylinder head there are usually 30 or 40 other cylinder heads in line ahead of it; not to mention engine blocks for boring, crankshafts to be reground, etc. After dropping my car off I went home. The wide part of the mushroom moves directly up and down against the cylinder wall, and is tightly pressed to the wall by the piston rings, which are circular springs that go around the big part of the mushroom, and spring out against the cylinder wall to hold it tight. I have not fully repaired yet. I just drop it off this morning with the code p0303 telling me mis- fire on #3 cylinder I replace the plug and coil pack and it did not fix it. Honda district manager told us that there is no way to know that there is no way to know that the replacement piston rings that were replaced on our Odyssey (2015) are a manufacturer defect (lemon.) Dealership plans to replace 4 spark plugs and 4 rings on the piston. Pretty stupid for a vehicle only a few years old. I bought this car because I thought it would be dependable and worry free but I have to worry about maintaining oil levels. clear the misfire codes. That was done. All I can say is that my car was in the shop for about 5 weeks. Not that I get them all done that fast but I must have had a second coffee that day. I have been having these issues for last few months. Why do I have to put out $500 on HONDAs mistake?? They started happening in 2018, 4 years after they closed the class action lawsuit involving my year of Honda Accord.